Questions for Trisquel...
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Hi guys, as usual I have like a million questions for anyone that is willing to entertain them in GnuLinux land
and I have like a million questions for Trisquel now, since I've been using it
and I was wondering what @Trisquel thinks about UEFI firmware?
I see here, that there are different people using alternate firmware to boot their computers, and I think that's super cool
I'm certain that the procedure would break my computer, or at least most of them,
I'm reading these links from trisquel to learn more about this subject...
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/bios
https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuboot/docs/hardware/
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Software/Boot_software
and I started another thread about the actual corporation, or body of different organizations (software and hardware manufacturers/distributors) which I am researching to learn more about this subject...
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/meet-uefi-corporation
I think it's funny reading about UEFI, because it sounds to me like the description of the Linux Kernel itself, and by the time my brain finishes processing that description, then the humor stops completely
So for years I have been playing around with using alternate means of using the UEFI firmware with my PC's, because I guess I want to build/configure anything I can get into, in regards to technology naturally.
Mainly we can reconfigure it, through the interface for doing so, and reinstall new or old versions which are supplied by what are downstream distributors of motherboards, as well as the firmware/software for our UEFI itself
I've started doing things like using msdos partitioning on all my own devices I control, like usb's, hard drives, ect, and disabling efi support in the libre-linux kernel, as well as installing GnuLinux systems in bios mode using the csm compatibility module included in most UEFI implementations up to the present day
So basically while my PC is using UEFI firmware, through these simple methods I isolate it from my own operating system, by comprehensively removing support for UEFI within my own operating system
I was wondering what anyone @trisquel thinks about this situation, I see a lot of people talking about using alternative firmware to replace UEFI, and I understand that's a certain way to brick your PC completely, which are actually very expensive these days...
this page is sort of confusing to me too
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Software/Boot_software
Because it contains like a mixture of things, whereas I am specifically interested in understanding the BIOS/UEFI firmware itself, that is part of the overall gnulinux boot process
where UEFI -> Grub -> Linux -> initrd -> systemd/init -> Gnu/Linux
right?
So if we canoebooted it ( sry funny name ;D )
we would have
Canoeboot -> Grub -> Linux -> initrd -> systemd/init -> Gnu/Linux
or even alternatively for modern distributions using the latest features, it would look like this...
UEFI/Canoeboot -> systemd-boot -> Linux -> initrd -> systemd -> Gnu/Linux (or like theyre replacing gnu too sometimes)
So now... I'm using a system like this
UEFI/BIOS -> Grub/BIOS -> Linux/BIOS -> initrid -> systemd/init -> Gnu/Linux/BIOS
isn't that a good idea? to use a BIOS based operating system, like msdos partitioning, msdos grub, efi disabled gnu/linux bios initialized, and UEFI in csm(bios) mode...
to avoid using UEFI, if we're trying to get away from it, or just do things uniquely?
we can't all get gnuboot, canoeboot, or libreboot to work for our computers, so shouldn't we have a workaround for other people? I keep saying this over and over, and no one responds to me.
oh except to sign on, just to downvote my posts, and not even talk to anybody
Not sure why your posts are getting thumbed down, but UEFI < canoeboot, libreboot and hell gnuboot as well are better.
UEFI is a mess.
My question is this basically
I've started doing things like using msdos partitioning on all my own devices I control, like usb's, hard drives, ect, and disabling efi support in the libre-linux kernel, as well as installing GnuLinux systems in bios mode using the csm compatibility module included in most UEFI implementations up to the present day
So basically while my PC is using UEFI firmware, through these simple methods I isolate it from my own operating system, by comprehensively removing support for UEFI within my own operating system
I was wondering what anyone @trisquel thinks about this situation, I see a lot of people talking about using alternative firmware to replace UEFI, and I understand that's a certain way to brick your PC completely, which are actually very expensive these days...
How does this change the situation? Not everyone can use gnuboot/canoeboot/libreboot/uboot/or seaboot, so we are stuck with UEFI in other words, and attempting to replace it, would actually literally completely destroy our computers.
That's extremely serious. I can't find any reference to this concern, in relative links about the subject, through trisquel, gnu, or the fsf. So, what can we do? I've been using msdos for many years now to partition my devices, even though relative manuals, and guides, all push us, to use gpt partitioning, which is part of UEFI.
Think about that: gpt partitioning, is actually a part of UEFI. Aren't we trying to avoid that?
How does disabling UEFI support, through the whole GNU operating system change the situation? Does it benefit us? Is it a good alternative?
So now... I'm using a system like this
UEFI/BIOS -> Grub/BIOS -> Linux/BIOS -> initrid -> systemd/init -> Gnu/Linux/BIOS
isn't that a good idea? to use a BIOS based operating system, like msdos partitioning, msdos grub, efi disabled gnu/linux bios initialized, and UEFI in csm(bios) mode...
See now, I've altered the entire UEFI paradigm, now my entire operating system, except for the underling motherboard itself, is completely different. We are going to lose this capability, in the future, probably in the near future. This is vitally important to talk about, and comprehend in depth.
???? Is anyone listening ????
???? can anyone hear me ????
>"isn't that a good idea? to use a BIOS based operating system, like msdos partitioning, msdos grub, efi disabled gnu/linux bios initialized, and UEFI in csm(bios) mode..."
It sounds good. My power supply on my old HP UEFI system died a couple years ago and I've been using corebooted systems from NovaCustom since. If I had a working old UEFI system I'd fire it up and try to follow along with what you're doing. New corebooted systems are affordable enough that I won't be purchasing anything with proprietary bios or UEFI in the foreseeable future.