Is there a projects that targets completely FOSS HW and software?

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zoltanh
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Beigetreten: 12/19/2016

The question is that would it be possible to have a fully modular printable chassis,and FOSS HW build that can result a "cheap" community designed base Trisquel laptop? TIA

Psion
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Beigetreten: 12/29/2023

The closest to that is mnt reform probably... IF and only IF it uses LS1028A. Not the other options though.

I say this as what I think FSF would say.

prospero
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Beigetreten: 05/20/2022

I have also unearthed something: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/buy-cpu-2022#comment-168274.

This was before 2023 even started, so either the discussions have stalled for major external reasons, or that eDP firmware proved to be one stumbling blob too many on the path. Note that the talks mentioned by Thum were about a potential RYF-able laptop. I had been hoping for the possibility of a desktop built around that module that could skip the blob, but am still to hear about such a project. Probably not so cheap either, but at least fully free.

UPDATE: "We probably need some kind of way to fix that, maybe some sort of collective funding to fund people to work on tasks like that?"
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2021-09/msg00040.html

This was written before the LS1028A module was made available as an option, but that quote may be the best answer to the OP to date. If the project you are looking for does not exist yet, it may be time to consider starting it.

Avron

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Beigetreten: 08/18/2020

The central place for this kind of information is https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Computers

prospero
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Beigetreten: 05/20/2022

For the sake of complete coverage, I may add that laptops are listed there: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Computers/Laptops.

Not sure why the Reform is in the "laptops with fatal flaws" category and not in "freeable". Does it mean that the Pinebook Pro, for instance, is more readily freeable?

Avron

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Beigetreten: 08/18/2020

As far as I understand, the Pinebook pro is based on RK3399, which can boot without non-free firmware and still have all essential functions work.

The MNT reform is sold with a choice of i.MX8MQ, LS1028A and RCM4 311D module. The i.MX8MQ neeeds a blob for memory training to boot, the LS1028A needs a blob for the display and the RCM4 311D need a blob to boot.

With its current hardware, the MNT reform doesn't look "freeable", while the Pinebook pro is.

prospero
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Beigetreten: 05/20/2022

https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Computers/Laptops/Freeable_laptops/Pinebook_PRO says "Unsure if it's free software" for embedded controller firmware. There is no hint about how to free those if they turned out not to be libre. Reverse engineering maybe?

EDIT: Not sure why I keep forgetting about this: "Unfortunately, besides wifi there are 2 other nonfree parts in this laptop. Keyboard and touchpad controllers. The first one, being ~35KB of hex code, should be relatively easy to RE (but instead of reconstructing the entire firmware source, PINE64 is patching the nonfree hex files and redistributing that...). The second one is similarly small, but I am not sure it is even known what instruction set it uses"
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/are-raspberry-pies-free#comment-164789

Psion
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Beigetreten: 12/29/2023

I specifically had said LS1028A was the option that was free. I never said the I.MX8MQ or the RCM4 311D were libre, quite the opposite due to the non-free wifi onboard in the last one's case and I am aware of a RAM blob outside of the arm processor for the I.MX8MQ as an edit.

LS1028A has no wifi card built in and integrated and supposedly it also has no weird blobs required to boot the ram or it in general.

Unless LS1028A has a blob I am unaware of, that is the free version of Mnt Reform.

prospero
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Beigetreten: 05/20/2022

> the LS1028A needs a blob for the display

Indeed, and it has been in the public eye since at least 2022: https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-07-25-ls1028a-status-update.html.

MNT made no mystery of it, but they have hinted that they are not interested in trying to get rid of it, as they believe it may not be worth the effort. So the LS1028A designs are publicly available, and anyone truly interested and with relevant know-how could explore the suggested mPCIe path, but the Reform will probably remain blobbed for the foreseeable future: https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/110256351945111880.

megurineturilli
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Beigetreten: 01/10/2012

I'm doing a talk about a project I contribute to at FOSDEM, which is 100% libre hardware and software:
https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/event/fosdem-2024-2060-using-the-ecp5-for-libre-soc-prototyping/